Take a deep breath Authority and relax a bit ... now go to www.anandtech.com or www.digit-life.com and you will see that with the new drives the Radeon 8500 is dead even with the Geforce 3 Ti 500. So now that you have your facts right the reason that the Radeon 8500 is on top even tho the cards preform very close (1-3% of each other) is because of all the extra features the R 8500 has to offer ie. truform, smoothvision, and a more advanced pixel/vertex shader